Slava · Base Rooms

[0:00]with another Better Call's All Yaps episode. Today, I have Slava with me. How we doing today, Slava?

[0:06]>> Hey, Sal. Great. How are you? Good to be here. >> I'm doing wonderful. It's really good to

[0:10]have you um in the room here talking about something you've built because >> Um not sure if you cut out. Maybe you

[0:20]pulled your microphone out, but I can't hear you. Oh, there you are. Yep.

[0:24]>> [laughter] >> I'll do a little dance. Keep everyone entertained. All right. Let's see.

[0:34]>> All right. I think we're back. Apologies. >> [laughter] >> I was just saying that um it's really

[0:39]cool to see you on the other side of the um chair because I've known you as a

[0:45]supporter of builders. We met when you were working at an app that was just

[0:49]helping one of my co-founders really start getting into coding in general and creating and building on her own. Um so,

[0:56]it's really cool to be able to you know, turn flip the switch I share a little

[1:00]bit of what you've built and honestly, I haven't dove in into it completely, but

[1:04]it's been an absolute blast the amount that I have. So, um I would love for you

[1:08]to share um you know, first let's start off with who is Slava. >> Um yeah, I guess I'm a tinkerer, a

[1:16]hobbyist, and a a builder of sorts. Um been in crypto for quite some time. I

[1:22]really enjoy the decentralized like technology and and what blockchain kind of does. Enjoy like self-sovereignty and

[1:28]being able to build things um without really having to ask for permission as long as you have the

[1:33]components available. It's open source. It's permissionless, and um you know, it's kind of like the new way of

[1:39]building trust without having to really meet the other side even. It's you know,

[1:43]you trust the math. Um that's what brought me into the ecosystem, and then

[1:47]what kept me here was like all the fun little things you can you can start

[1:50]doing. I mean, I started with like mining back in the day, and then you

[1:53]know, altcoins became a thing, and then NFTs came out. So, I was into permanent

[1:58]storage, what is storage, Um you know, what are the relations between the token

[2:02]and the artwork itself. Can we associate any licensing into this stuff? Um, and then slowly started

[2:08]transitioning more into, I guess, the actual builder side because we started getting more agentic tools and help

[2:14]there. So, I think that's where we finally met was when I was with Ohara.

[2:18]Um, and and um, in collaboration with like Base and Coinbase, we were doing a

[2:22]lot of like buildathons, hackathons, and like just bringing builders up to speed with what's possible with the new tools.

[2:28]Um, and I'd say that was like a year ago, so it was before vibe coding was

[2:31]even a thing really. So, when I was telling people what was possible, they

[2:33]were looking at me like I had horns coming out of my head. Like, "No, you

[2:36]can literally just talk to the agent and he'll build your ideas out." Um, so we've come now for like full

[2:41]circle. A lot of the builders that I've spoke with and um, have guided through like even

[2:46]buildathons or have helped, you know, fix little things have already succeeded with their builds or on, you know, on to

[2:52]their V2s, V3s, and I love to see them flourish. So, I um, most recently joined

[2:58]Driven Labo as a team. I really love what they're doing, so I'm passionate about car culture in general.

[3:03]Like, I think, you know, uh, personal sovereignty kind of starts behind the wheel, and then for me it continued here

[3:08]in the internet. So, like for me it's it's kind of both. Like, it's freedom on

[3:11]the road and freedom online. Um, so like bringing those two cultures together seems like a no-brainer for me. And then

[3:17]like being able to play with all these tools, I was kind of like opening this

[3:20]hobby project of my own, like Base Rooms, which I had open for a while and I had a

[3:24]bunch of builders and we were using it kind of like a, uh, a meet space with like, uh, calls so

[3:29]that we can co-work and like understand these new tools. And like not always is it easy to

[3:35]uh, be able to explain something in text. So, so being able to, you know,

[3:38]share your screen, being able to talk like we're talking now, uh, was a lot

[3:41]easier. So, I think that's when I met Candy and a lot of the other people

[3:44]involved. Um, started showing up to like WaveZStation spaces cuz I really love

[3:49]music, too. I mean, I was a audio producer for a long time, and

[3:53]um had a audio studio and a production studio in New York City. Um so, it was

[3:58]like a a natural kind of thing for me. Like, I enjoyed being an artist, um

[4:03]enjoyed being on stage and putting all those things together. So, I still carry

[4:07]that ethos with me now. Like, when I'm building with people, it's kind of like

[4:10]I'm jamming in the studio. Like, it's like, "Hey, you want to do this? You

[4:12]want to grab the piano? You want to grab a guitar? You want to go play the drums?

[4:16]You want to hit a MIDI pad?" Like, I'll even tell you, like, "All right, you'll

[4:19]hit the you'll hear metronome, and when it goes beep, you just go pop." And then

[4:22]you're you're part of, you know, the whole thing with us, and and it feels

[4:25]good. And giving someone an opportunity to participate, I think it's like the first step. And then they're able to

[4:30]bring their ideas, and they're able to bring their voice. And in the beginning,

[4:33]they're just kind of like learning how to develop that voice, right? And then

[4:37]being able to use the tools, and then walk with them and run. And that's what

[4:40]I started using Base Rooms for, where it was like, "Hey, it's one thing for me to

[4:43]say what's possible, and it's another thing in my my free time to kind of like

[4:47]keep my creative juices going, build all this stuff out." And it just started

[4:51]like flourishing bigger and bigger. So, I started kind of like an OS kind of

[4:55]little system. Um had a couple of friends in there, and we're like, "Oh,

[4:58]let's get, you know, AIM going again." Kind of kind of like what we had back in

[5:01]the day with like ASL and instant messenger, and kind of like bringing back those peak internet vibes with like

[5:07]futuristic tools. So, like, everything that brought us to the internet, plus all the tools that we use every

[5:13]day. So, that was that was the point of this. >> I love it. I think that's a it's really

[5:18]interesting, uh I had an opportunity over the last year to pop in with uh with you in the Base

[5:25]Rooms. It was really interesting to me because not only was it just um

[5:31]a website where you were meeting people, but you were actually creating community. Um every time I hopped on,

[5:36]there was maybe one or two other people with you, and you introduced me to

[5:39]someone. And that I thought that was always really cool was I never knew who

[5:43]I was going to meet, but it was always going to be one of those

[5:46]more authentic connections just because, you know, you're you're meeting in the style of co-working. So, I think that's

[5:51]really valuable. And and it's been a blessing to kind of see that now turn

[5:56]into what Baserooms is today, Baserooms OS. And I'd love for you to just give a

[6:02]little bit of maybe why you started this change if you'd been, you know, rocking

[6:09]out the Baserooms with probably you spotted up and and had probably hadn't done much development on it since uh

[6:15]more recently. I'd love to know what started that like new spurt of energy

[6:20]into making Baserooms what it is today, kind of like a full-fledged app. >> Yeah, um so it was mostly just to keep

[6:26]my development like creative juices going outside of just like, you know, the grind of everyday work and and

[6:31]getting, you know, things across the deadline and and just staying also in the know. I also like to keep my

[6:38]I guess like shoe like tools as sharp as possible, if you will. And if I'm not

[6:42]actively developing, I can't do that. I'm I'm just reading other people's posts and I'm speculating on what's

[6:48]possible, but I'm not actively participating. And I've always um learned best by doing. I'm not one of

[6:54]those people that likes to read too much. I'm more practical application. Like theoretical knowledge, sure, you

[6:59]should have it, but I'm more about like what can we practically do today? Not

[7:03]what is maybe possible and look at these wonderful ideas we have, but I let's

[7:07]bring it back to what is possible now. And and I really like to live in that

[7:11]realm. So, I I like to explore what's possible and I feel like right now we're

[7:14]kind of at that that catalyst where like that's changing almost every day and

[7:18]almost every week. So, unless I'm building actively, I'm not able to participate in a meaningful way. Like

[7:24]I'm not able to provide value, I'm not able to get any value. So, this was more

[7:28]for me to even keep my I guess chops like sharp. Um and it became a a project

[7:35]in itself just because I guess seeing the components and being able to like

[7:39]compose properly now with AI, I can compose all the parts that I need, write

[7:44]any contracts that might be missing. Um so, it's a lot easier to deal with. And

[7:48]if I'm doing it as a solo dev, I don't really have to rely on like friction or

[7:52]like time differences. It's like, "Hey, if I'm awake, I can go over, do some

[7:56]work." Um and like being a dad of like two young kids, I get to be up at random

[8:01]times cuz like they don't They don't [laughter] They don't know it's night time. They're just waking up. So,

[8:05]sometimes it's like, "Hey, I can't fall asleep anyway. Might as well walk over

[8:08]to the office." And I'm blessed enough to work from home, so I can kind of like

[8:11]put in a couple of prompts, fix some things, polish some things, go back to

[8:14]bed, wake up in the morning, see what happened. Um so, it's more of a a

[8:18]personal journey to continue developing, um bring the tools that we use every day

[8:23]into an interface that I can enjoy myself, and then see if others can

[8:26]participate in the same way. And then, you know, Buddies kind of became a thing

[8:30]of its own where it's like I wanted to bring inscriptions to Base cuz like I

[8:34]came from the whole Bitcoin Ordinal world. I was helping a lot of artists

[8:38]kind of like turn their art into Ordinals, and then I was in the Runes

[8:43]um community for a little while. But, I took that passion and brought it

[8:48]back to Base because Base is cheap. Like, with Bitcoin, you have to pay

[8:51]thousands of dollars to be able to put anything into a block. Um and you were really concerned with

[8:55]like, you know, how big is that data? And am I able to inscribe this properly

[8:59]or not? But, with Base, it's so cheap that experimenting is easy. So, I was

[9:04]able to experiment with it, inscribe these Buddies on chain, put all the code

[9:07]alongside with them, um not having to use any external storage, so they'll last for the the lifetime of the whole

[9:13]chain. Um and I think now projects are able to finally appreciate what they are

[9:18]and what they're able to do with them because it comes with like a open

[9:21]license. You can use them freely. So, as long as they're available on chain and

[9:24]you can find them, you can make use for them or of them in in your client. So,

[9:29]like Chip Works added them as well. So, if you have a Buddy and you go to log

[9:33]into Chip Works with your wallet, your Buddy will pop up there, too. Um if you

[9:36]go to Hive um, they have buddies there too. So, like if you connect your wallet, your

[9:41]buddy will pop up in Highverse because it's just on chain. So, anywhere that

[9:45]the chain is indexed, the buddy's there, active, interactive, and animated. Um, if you pull them up on OpenSea, you can

[9:51]actually click on them, play with them in the marketplace because it's pulling it directly from the chain.

[9:56]So, anywhere that the chain is indexed, you can play and interact with your

[10:00]buddy, whether base rooms exist or not, forever. And that was what I wanted to kind of

[10:05]bring to the chain. And then being able to show what you can do recursively. So,

[10:09]what you can also do is like put stuff in blocks and then mint new blocks to

[10:13]point at the old stuff. So, like let me explain it in music >> Yeah, please do.

[10:17]>> So, you can put like, let's say, notes, sounds, right? And then like, you can't

[10:21]put all the sounds of a music in one block cuz it'd be too much. It'd be

[10:24]like, you know, 3.5 megabytes or 3 megabytes and you can't fit that in a

[10:27]block on base. So, like each note can be its own block that you upload, right?

[10:32]Like 25 kilobytes and 25 kilobytes. Yes. And then that's when you have everything on chain. You don't need to

[10:38]even have external storage. You're using points from the chain already. So, you build the primitives into a

[10:45]block such that you can use the primitives in the future. >> Yes. That's so interesting. I I have so

[10:50]many different things I want to tap on. One, I really love the idea of the

[10:55]future is not the same as the past has been for software development. So,

[11:04]doing your iteration by test, see if this is what you want, if it's not,

[11:10]iterate more towards it instead of spending 95% of your time planning, makes a big

[11:16]difference. And I really like how you touched on that. It's just like, you

[11:19]just keep on iterating so many times that just by playing with the tools and

[11:23]using the tools and participating and practicing, you get better naturally by learning, which is by by learning what

[11:32]works well for you and and kind of improving your workflow and it. Uh but then the inscriptions part's

[11:39]really interesting. I would love to tap in uh more on that because uh the idea that

[11:47]I've been working towards in building open-source tooling has been to build uh primitives as ideas that maybe are at a

[11:56]draft stage, maybe got to the point of first component or MVP, or maybe it was

[12:01]a full-fledged app and then and is continuing. But putting that all out there for anyone in the future to

[12:08]potentially see um and build on top of. So, one of the things we're working on

[12:12]right now is a DJ deck such that um there's a couple subscriptions out there

[12:16]that uh people have to pay uh a subscriber subscription for using their DJ deck. So, I'm trying to unlock my DJ

[12:24]deck and and use it as a primitive for me, but with this future intention and

[12:28]idea that because it's open-source and on my GitHub, someone in the future, whether it be me or another community

[12:34]member down the line, will see it and in integrate that or iterate on that in

[12:39]some way, shape, or uh thing in the future. And I think you have done that

[12:42]really well with Baserow, where you've taken a lot of cool things that other

[12:46]people have built and you've brought it all to one place. And that's one of the

[12:48]things I'm trying to do with the Zao. So, I really appreciate that. I like

[12:52]that a lot. I think I'm ready to just uh jump right on in here cuz we don't have

[12:56]a crazy amount of time and there's so many different things that you can do.

[13:00]>> Yeah, that is true. Um and honestly, with the primitives and your DJ

[13:04]reference, like you can put up music that then you as Serato like can import

[13:09]from the chain, right? So, if you put all the notes on and then you point to

[13:13]it and the song is actually on chain, it'll be there forever for people to use

[13:16]in your deck. Um and then all they'd have to do is pay the licensing fee per use to the

[13:21]creator. Um licensing is a big key to it because without the right license, people cannot

[13:27]use it because they don't know whether you will or won't sue them and they

[13:31]don't know whether they can or can't use it and how. So, as long as you can

[13:34]provide them that, like, "Hey, either use it freely or, you know, just tag me

[13:37]in it and you can continue using it or pay me a penny through X402 now with

[13:41]your agent or something, right?" Um yeah, give them a way to pay you and

[13:46]use it or at least know how to use it and then official companies can cuz

[13:49]otherwise they just can't. >> No, I like that. That's an important part of, honestly, the one of the

[13:55]problems that I've run into into in the NFT music space is just like I'm

[14:00]technically not allowed to stream any of these songs because no one specifically said that I can, right? And and that's

[14:07]the kind of interesting kind of line I've been towed in. >> But blockchain brings a lot of weird

[14:14]things into your bundle of rights. >> Yeah. >> Cuz as your as like so, as a creator,

[14:19]your bundle of rights is like who can copy, who can distribute, who can hold a

[14:23]copy of your work. As soon as you publish it on chain, that's it. All those are gone.

[14:30]You've relinquished those rights because you are now subscribing to this network that that the whole point of the network

[14:37]is to make copies redundant across nodes. So, you have now allowed everyone to make copies of your work and own it

[14:44]for free because you've participated in it. So, yes, participation in blockchain like because in the court of law like

[14:50]it's one thing for the paper to show something, but your actions proving a

[14:54]different thing. Your actions are what trump any piece of paper. So, like, I

[14:57]feel like that's where we are now and there's a lot of interesting conversations happening around like

[15:01]license law and blockchain and what's possible and that was where I was at

[15:06]with the whole permanent storage thing and NFTs and like how do we get real art

[15:10]on blockchain and then it was really difficult. There's still a lot of friction.

[15:14]Um there is no easy path. I I can have a whole space with you on just that. I

[15:18]mean, it's a very interesting topic. I love it. I I I think we should. I would

[15:21]love to to bring other people into that conversation cuz I think it'd be a lot

[15:24]of fun. Yeah, let me let me pull up this base rooms right here and we'll go right

[15:32]into what what our base rooms desktop would be. So yeah, I don't know if you

[15:38]want to speak a little bit or talk on any of this or or or kind of just let me

[15:45]drive different things but I've added Slava here as a friend and a couple other people who found me along

[15:51]the way so that's been pretty cool. I have my base name in here which I

[15:55]think is is always really helpful is finding a little bit more information about

[16:00]um pseudo anonymous people and it looks like Slava sent me a message so I see a

[16:05]nice little thing here. Boom. So it looks like you've updated this a bunch recently so I can play a

[16:13]lot with this. So there's just like a nice little wave button that's cool.

[16:17]That's like the poke. >> I could send my my buddy to go visit

[16:22]your desktop. So here comes my buddy to go visit your desktop. So now they can

[16:26]interact. Here he is. >> Oh, that's cool. That's cool. >> And we can now like listen to music

[16:34]together. So like if you open the media player and and radio >> Bum ba dum bum bum bum bum.

[16:40]>> Yeah, there you go. And then you can pick any one of those

[16:42]players. So like OS amp which looks like a Winamp player. There's a Walkman or

[16:46]there's a >> Okay, I saw this earlier but I'm not really sure what

[16:50]>> Audios. I think Audios is usually best and then you can pick whatever you want.

[16:53]Oh nice. Yeah, Eric can choose some stuff on there. Play that. >> Exactly.

[16:57]>> What I was thinking was like being able to maybe tie in some of the WaveWarZ

[17:01]stuff where you can preview the music. And then you can play it in your media

[17:07]player. >> Oh, you know what's crazy about that is I'm actually in the middle of developing

[17:12]our WaveWarZ protocol to make it a lot easier like creating our SDK

[17:16]essentially. >> Yeah, let me know. >> Creating it such that we can have an

[17:20]on-chain battle arena where people can use our battle standard, right? >> even that. I'm saying the the other side

[17:26]where people are purchasing um music, like purchasing the wave stations. Yeah. So, we could add a wave station player

[17:32]where you can preview the songs and if you want to buy the full song, you can

[17:34]buy it right here and then you can own it and then you can listen to it and

[17:38]share it with your friends because here you can listen together. So, like if I

[17:42]buy a song and I want to share it with a friend, I can listen with them when

[17:45]we're together, but they can't listen to it without me. So, they would have to

[17:48]buy their own version of it, right? >> Oh, that's really cool. I like that. I

[17:53]like that. >> and you can show people. Exactly. And like, "Oh, I really like this part or

[17:57]that part." And look, now your buddy interacts with your Walkman. He'll jump on it. He'll

[18:01]>> This is cool. Oh my goodness. I've been Yeah, I uh I uh I like I like what you've done with

[18:07]the the place. I'm definitely excited to to dive in deeper. Um >> If you click on the start menu, you'll

[18:15]get a preview of all the tools available, so you don't have to click

[18:17]through all that. So, this is what you can see and it's already kind of like

[18:21]categorized. So, all the social apps are at the top with like buddies, your

[18:24]workplace. So, you can connect um if you click on agent or mind, you can connect like your own agents to

[18:31]it, like Claude or whatever agent you want, Hermes. And then you can as your buddies level

[18:38]up, you can equip more and more skills. >> Oh my goodness. This is so cool. I

[18:43]really One of the things I really liked was the take care one. >> Yeah. And then you can also now when

[18:48]your when your buddies evolve, you can attest the evolution on chain, which means like

[18:54]you'll mint the evolutionary state on chain. And then anywhere else they're being indexed, they'll evolve as well.

[19:00]So, that people will know >> Interesting. So, so it's actually like uh upgradable traits essentially.

[19:08]Upgradable NFTs, yeah. >> Yeah. With attestation. So, like and you can attest from any client. So like let's

[19:14]say you upgraded all of a sudden you evolved while you were on chip works and

[19:18]then chip works has access to the >> That's cool then you're upgrading everywhere. Oh my goodness. Okay, so

[19:24]this is perfect Zauish culture. I'm unbelievably excited. This >> Awesome. >> Like exactly what I wanted to yeah, no a

[19:32]model of something that I want to like build on top of so I'm excited to tap

[19:37]in. I will definitely send you over some Zau stuff. I'm going to send

[19:41]Hurricane even just like this part of the recording so he gets excited about

[19:45]it and I think it'd be really fun to to listen to some of these songs together

[19:50]on here and have a button for WaveZStation. So I will make sure I chat with

[19:54]him about that and I believe you might be able to potentially already do it

[20:00]because we do provide the 30 second preview already. >> You do. I just want to make sure I get

[20:05]everything else correct so that I >> Yeah, yeah, no. I'll I'll talk to the

[20:08]squady and and we'll we'll integrate it ASAP. I love it. Is there any specific one you want me to

[20:14]tap into or or we should work on? >> Um oh, I haven't made a workspace.

[20:21]>> Yeah, yeah. If you can like just chat with a buddy I think that

[20:27]would be pretty fast. So you have to double click on them and then you'll see

[20:30]close. So you can close that window the workspace window or minimize it even. It'll work like a desktop. So what

[20:36]you can also do is you can edit all the folders, rename apps and all that stuff and like you can

[20:41]>> Interesting. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. It'll work like a desktop. >> Okay. >> also in your so like if you click on

[20:50][laughter] >> That's so cool. >> Yeah. If you click on the art gallery

[20:55]which is should be your NFTs >> I'm not sure where. Is it a Is it a

[21:01]thing here? >> Yeah, it should be it may be under your logo under the Zau logo cuz I can't see

[21:05]what's under there. Or you can just search for it in the start menu. Just

[21:10]search for NFTs. There they go. Art Gallery. So, you can pick any one of your NFTs to be a

[21:15]background, but you have TO OWN IT. YOU HAVE TO OWN IT FOR IT TO BE

[21:20]DISPLAYED. SO, I'm kind of giving people a reason to go buy an NFT that they want

[21:23]to have on their desktop because it's like you can't have it on there if you

[21:26]don't own it. >> OH MY GOD, that's sick. Yeah. Now, this is This is a move. I'm uh

[21:35]I'm definitely going to have to build on top of this. I'm excited. I'm going to

[21:39]send you some stuff. Um yeah, let let check it out, guys. Does anyone have any questions if

[21:45]anyone's listening in? Candy made it. Let's go. >> Hey, Candy. >> Slava is the next level go, and I'm

[21:52]super excited to be able to rock buying something you've built as well because

[21:57]you've you've helped us so many times along the way. >> Thank you, guys.

[22:01]Um all right, let's chat with the buddy. I feel like I get excited for all these

[22:03]other side tracking stuff. You can ask him whatever you want. Like, hey, like

[22:07]>> How is my wallet? >> Okay. Let's see what it thinks. >> Such a

[22:15]uh uh Uh how is my wallet is such an open >> [laughter] >> He's like confused. He's like, let's go

[22:23]look. >> That's wrong, [laughter] probably. But I'll take it. Um yeah, it seems that it has um

[22:35]decided that >> Your ZOL tokens are worth >> If my ZOL tokens are worth more than a

[22:40]K, I'll take it. But but we'll >> Yeah. >> We'll We'll We'll ask it, um what do you

[22:48]know about E Patriots? >> Um what you can also ask it is you could

[22:55]even tell it like, hey, go go long on ETH, $5. >> Interesting. Let's do it.

[23:04]>> Yeah. Five bucks, 100 X. >> Do I need So, I need $5 USDC to do that?

[23:10]>> open it for you. >> Oh, oh, okay. I see. >> But but all that's available, too. And

[23:15]it'll it'll um >> Ah, that's not. >> Yeah, and it'll allow you to like

[23:19]actually select it, you know? It won't do it for you. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, that that's

[23:26]amazing. >> Yeah, you just wouldn't have enough in your wallet. >> Very cool. Yeah, yeah, because you

[23:32]haven't uh given an approval. So, you're doing the approval on your end, but

[23:36]it'll pull it up. >> It'll pull it up. It'll bridge for you. It'll explain to you. So, this is more

[23:40]for like the new comers that need >> No, this is amazing. Yeah. >> help with tools, and it has security

[23:47]built in. So, like your buddy will tell you like, "Hey, be careful. You know, maybe don't interact with

[23:52]this, or this is a medium warning, or high warning." Explain to you why. You

[23:56]can also feed a contract directly into it, and it'll tell you what it is in

[24:00]layman words, like what you're signing. Like, "Hey, what am I signing in this

[24:04]transaction?" Um Yeah, there's a lot of tools you can use here. If you go into research

[24:10]>> minutes. I want to just ask you one question >> Yeah, go ahead.

[24:13]>> the build on top of part. So, I have these buddies uh on chain uh as an inscription. I as a

[24:21]builder, what would it take to uh uh to incorporate buddies into one zap?

[24:30]>> Um so, here, I'll give you If you want to just pull them up on OpenSea, I'm

[24:35]just trying to find like what's the most user-friendly [clears throat] place where you can find them.

[24:41]Um yeah, let's pull them up on OpenSea. They would be called OS Buddies. Let me

[24:45]see if I can find it. Yeah, Base Roms OS Buddies. And all you'd have to do is like pick a

[24:54]buddy, and it has everything you need in it. So, like you can pick that buddy right

[24:59]there, 308, the one that's open. Oh yeah, even that one. You see how you

[25:02]can play with them right there like feed play. And look on the top right hand

[25:06]corner you have a terminal next to sound. So sound will turn off. So you

[25:10]can type in the terminal right there too and be like help. Yeah. >> [laughter]

[25:19]>> It's [clears throat] cool. Um so if you scroll down a little bit you'll see that

[25:22]it says the details in the metadata. So like about if you click on the about

[25:27]like yeah, right there. That's all you need. And then blockchain details. >> I see.

[25:32]>> And then you hit blockchain details. >> this contract address. >> Exactly. You just show the contract

[25:39]and the contract has everything. >> And it knows to display these. >> Yeah, because it's in the So the

[25:45]contract has the code in it. So each block can have I think right now 65 or 25

[25:51]kilobytes. I have to find out what the limits are, but that's what I was trying

[25:53]to fill and I'm trying to find out from base like what are the limits now going

[25:57]forward because there is going to be a new hard fork coming up. So depending on how big the blocks are

[26:04]we can shove more or less in there and then recursively point at them. Oh yeah,

[26:07]you got to catch those. >> Yeah. And that's directly on chain. You could do this in your wallet by the way.

[26:12]You don't need to be even on any platform like as long as you can see the

[26:15]NFT you can play with it. >> That is nuts. >> Yeah, man. And see it's animated, it

[26:21]talks, it jumps, it bounces. There is no external storage for it. This is all of

[26:25]it. >> Wow. Okay. >> it has yeah, so that has all the info

[26:29]right there, the evolve and about this buddy. So you just copy that. >> I see.

[26:33]>> comes with the contract already. And it tells you the trade, tells you start,

[26:37]stop, tells you where everything is, how to properly use it. So you don't need

[26:41]me. You just need to find this and then you you're good to go.

[26:45]And it comes with an open license so you don't need to even ask whether you can

[26:49]use it. Like it says yes you can use me for whatever you want.

[26:52]So, you legally know, okay, yeah, I can use this and I want to use this.

[26:56]>> drain other people's energy. >> [laughter] >> But, because you're unable to attest,

[27:02]it's not going to save. So, that's why the attestation makes a difference. This is more of like a

[27:09]preview of you. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then to actually do it, you need to be a client.

[27:13]>> You you you client, yeah. And then the client decides what they want to do with

[27:16]it. Like in Zao in like the Zao verse, this could this could be a thing that

[27:20]talks about music and artists and all that stuff. You don't need to be one

[27:23]brain. >> Yeah. >> I appreciate you coming in. I know you have a cut off time. So, share with

[27:29]everyone where can people reach out to you? Where can people find you? >> Uh you guys can always DM me on X,

[27:35]lavawithinus, you know, Slava. So, lavawithinus. That's me. See you guys there or just

[27:42]log in to baserooms.io. Uh add me to your instant messenger. And uh reach out and I'll be there.

[27:49]And if you see I sent you a little airdrop in instant messenger now

[27:52]>> see that. >> directly in So, this is the last thing I kind of want to show you guys.

[27:57]So, two things. Um you can airdrop people directly in chat now. So, like if you open that,

[28:03]you'll see. And then you can choose how much you want to airdrop. You can choose

[28:06]what token you want to airdrop. So, it doesn't have to be BRTC. By default, it

[28:10]is, but you can choose whatever you want. Um >> [laughter] >> Makes sense.

[28:20]>> Yeah, if it's less than 10 cents, it costs you more >> That's that's that's funny.

[28:25]>> Exactly. Yeah, that's why it's like, oh, maybe you don't want to do that. Um

[28:29]And the other thing is you can now earn from your invites. So, if you go into

[28:35]invite, um it's right next to your buddies on the bottom like second row.

[28:41]>> Cool, thanks. I got an airdrop. >> Yeah, and invite's right there. Um next

[28:46]to buddies to the right. Sorry, yeah. So, now you have earnings tab on the

[28:50]right of it. And then that's how much you've earned. Oh, you've earned 30 cents so far. So,

[28:56]you don't even know you're earning. >> There you go. >> And you >> No, I Okay, so I did really like that

[29:00]you I did really like that you added the invite code in the social share. That's

[29:04]something I think that is super untapped. So, definitely want to talk more. Um, appreciate you coming on. Uh,

[29:10]definitely ta- ta- tap in and and Candy said you have to do more lives as also. What we

[29:16]can do next time is I can just jump in in my live stream and just share my

[29:20]screen of our base room as well. That's what I was thinking we would we could

[29:24]do. So, maybe the next time that will that will be where we are. So, thank you

[29:28]again, Slava. Thanks, Candy and anyone else for for listening in and we'll see

[29:31]you all soon.