Diviflyy · Empire Builder

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[0:08]Hey, what's up? What's up everybody? I'm here with another better call. All Yaps with, uh, with Adrian Diva. Fly here. Um, the developer behind Empire Builder. Adrian, how you doing today? Ah, excellent. Great to be here. Yeah, I know we were mentioning the last few times we've met, it's actually been on holidays and at weird times, so I'm excited to, to chat with you today to chat a little bit more about Empire Builder, um, and would love to just.

[0:36]Start with a little bit more of your background, if you wanna share, share more, uh, more about yourself. Yeah. I've been, been playing this, uh, crypto game for a long time now. Um. Way back to like 20, 20 13. I remember I was mining Dogecoin on my old, like Lenovo think pad laptop mined a whole bunch of Doge.

[1:00]Um, sold it all for like, I, I think I mined like maybe 2 million Doge. Sold it all for like a couple of grand thinking I'm a genius. Um, and then, um, yeah, obviously. That wasn't such a genius move in hindsight, but I don't know. You're living your living alone. Um, then yeah, you know, invested a bit of money into it and then, you know, it all went down, invested into not Bitcoin, but every other shit coin that there was, that all crashed.

[1:29]Um, fell outta bit outta love with crypto after that. Got back into it in 2017 with the ICO boom and everything. Um, all my mates were like asking me questions like, how do you set up a wallet? How do you do this? How do you do that? 'cause I was the only guy that knew anything. So I realized like, all right, I might as well lean into this a bit, sort of make a career out of it.

[1:49]Um, ended up. In, it took about until 2020. I was doing some different courses. I moved to Europe, um, and I managed to get a job at a crypto mining company just doing content writing. That's my main, main job as a content writer. Um, just for marketing and stuff, I'm doing it right now. Um, yeah, being at a few different companies, being at Scroll, been at, uh, root Stock, uh, cake, defi also, uh.

[2:16]In the interview process with another company right now, another big company, but I won't mention exactly who that is. Um, so just in case it doesn't work out. Um, and, but yeah, you'll see if it does work out on my socials. Um, well that's super exciting. That's, that's definitely a, yeah. A long list in, in crypto and definitely like different eras of crypto and understanding that, I mean, I came in in 2023 and there were already L twos on east and some of the people in 2021 were like, oh man, you had it easy.

[2:48]So it's like, um, you know that different eras of generations definitely can speak to the different like time periods, whether you look at like regulatory challenges internationally, throughout. Uh, you know, to where we are today, where you still have challenges, um, with that. And then also just like the history of, you know, bitcoin, ev, everything else kind of that's out there and, and different philosophies around that.

[3:13]So, um, I would love to get your take and spin on like that then that NFT boom. What kind of, uh, what, what led you to, to Empire Builder and building on top of Lanker and, uh, and yeah, just excited to hear more about, about that area. Speaking on that. Yeah, like the regulatory changes. When I started it was like wild, wild west.

[3:33]I was buying crypto off of some guy on Reddit and just PayPaling him. Um, and yeah, and I signed up for a Coinbase account. All you needed was an email address. Um, like I just made a fake email address and that was it, and I got in and could buy Bitcoin. That was, that was the way it was back then. Um, but yeah, obviously much, much different now.

[3:56]But yeah, I, and speaking of like, yeah, different super, just between 2021 and 2022. I remember on eighth, if you wanna buy an NFT, you'd have to pay like 10, $20 worth in gas, right? Like that's how it was back then. It was just mental and it was just. Yeah, it was sort of like, is it, is it worth it? Like, you know, is it worth that $10 in gas?

[4:17]You just had to really analyze like your profit and loss like potential because like, yeah, every little transaction you did was gonna be costing you like 10 to $20. It was, yeah, it was something, something else. But. Yeah, I guess, I guess what led me to, to building Empire, I'm, I'm a self-taught Deb, so I've been, when I got into the crypto game in 2020, I was, you know, the only rider in, in my team.

[4:46]Um, so they were like. Oh, you're the writer. Why don't you write this technical documentation? Why don't you write this paper? Why don't you do this? And I'm just like, I, yeah, I had no idea, like, about any of this, right? So I like started learning, learning myself how to, you know, a little bit of solidity, uh, JavaScript, et cetera.

[5:03]Um, and yeah, obviously when like AI came in, chat, GPT and Claude, now it's just like hypercharged the capacity of like what you're able to do as well, um, and how fast you can iterate on such things. Um, rather than taking like, you know. Six months to try and build out like a little basic script. You can now just do that in like a day.

[5:26]Um, so yeah, it's, it's much different now. Um, but yeah, sort of what led me down this path is I was involved in multiple different crypto communities and such. I got started speaking to um, uh. Nick Sero, Nick Sap. Um, he's a guy behind a few multiple different things on, um, far Caster. He was the guy that did, um, circus that got a bit of hype, uh, a little while ago.

[5:54]Um, and yeah, we, he was sort of just starting out and discovering Far Caster and I was like, yeah, I'm, I, you know, I just discovered it too, like, why don't we like, sort of try and build something out here, like we're starting a little project on here. So I helped him out with it. Built some old frame V ones, uh, original frames, uh, like as a bit of a marketing, uh, thing back then.

[6:18]And that was like start of 20, 24. And it was just, you know, far caster frenzy back then. Um, people were, you know, uh, that was when DJ E was sort of. You know, at its peak. Right. Um, so yeah, anything you sort of built and like, just offered like some NFT, like people were jumping all over it. Um, so yeah, that was really fun.

[6:40]Sort of how I built, I guess my initial following on Far Caster, um, that sort of evolved and then devolved into other different things. We sort of moved on to different projects, then Lanker came out. Um. Klancher dropped and as soon as Klan had dropped to realize like the potential there Right. And spoke with, um, it was proxy back then who was leading it.

[7:01]Right. Um, so jumped on a call with him like literally a week after Klan launched. Um, it was, yeah. Crazy how responsive, um, him and Jack had been, like, there's been a lot of different, you know, builders or like, um. People that I've tried to like contact on far caster and you just, you know, response from them, right?

[7:20]Like, yeah, they're like very, um, you know, they're too busy to like, you know, hear from the little guy and like probably get like a million messages from Spams as well. So it's understandable. But the CL team was like super responsive, super open, I think because I already, um, you know, they already followed me.

[7:37]Jack and proxy. So they maybe knew that was like, I guess a point of difference. Um, yeah, so I jumped on a call with them, like had an idea for like a little bot that instead of just, um, launching tokens, it would like just analyze your profile and create a token based on that, which is actually something I had created beforehand as a frame V one.

[8:00]Um, it was called scene coin. It got like zero traction. Um, but it was essentially the same concept as clank, like in feed token creation. And it was like, it was basically like one, if it took off, it was like basically one iteration away from essentially being clankers. So I liked to tell Jack that I invented clank before.

[8:21]Before Lanker, but yeah, obviously not with the same clout behind it. Um, and yeah, so I created clunky bot Lanker. Um, he's still around, still going strong. Well, he is actually is, he is on his downtime at the moment as we do some upgrades to him. But he's, um, that was the very first actual lanker, um, interface, like post Lanker launch.

[8:46]It was like the first thing built on top of Lanker. 'cause it took me like maybe three days to write this, write this little bot out. Right. It was very simple. Um, especially 'cause I had all the, all the code ready from my previous project. Right. Um, so yeah. Got that out. Had quite a bit of success at the start.

[9:06]People were, were Italian lanker and like creating like silly little tokens. Um, and then, um, from that I spoke with, uh, Jordan, who, uh, yeah, berserker. Yeah, Beker. He, um. Yeah, I worked with him in the past on a few different things as well. I, I created the, I don't know when Moxie was at its peak I worked with, uh, Jason to create a little, um, election frame.

[9:32]Um, I don't know if you remember that, like when the, when the election was happening last, oh, in 2024 now? Um, yeah, I created a little election frame and that Yeah. Made like. Yeah. Three thou, two, $3,000 worth of moxie from that, which was nice. But unfortunately I held onto it and now it's,

[9:54]that happens. Right, exactly. But yeah, it got me a lot of attention at least. Um, so yeah, I worked with him through that and different projects there. Um, and he is like, well, yeah, and we would do spit balling ideas. It's like, why don't we. Like create the interface. Everyone's getting a token now, but the thing with tokens is like you built create a token, then, then what?

[10:16]Right? Mm-hmm. Then what do you do? Mm-hmm. Right? Um, and there was no infrastructure or anything and people were like creating their own solutions. Like I remember Big DGen Energy, BDE, he was like, he created his clank V zero and was like rewarding the community, but he was just doing it through his own.

[10:33]Airdrop scripts that he was creating himself. I'm like, people shouldn't have to Yeah. Create scripts just to like reward the community and do stuff. So we decided like, let's build out something. Uh, to allow like a all in one interface. And that was sort of the initial goal, just like a basic interface with a treasury, a leaderboard, um, of holders, and then you can just like airdrop entities and distribute from the treasury to those, to those holders as you please.

[11:05]Um, started out simple idea. Uh, by the time we actually launched, it became a lot more complex. We introduced the booster system. Um, and so it's not directly, um, tied to just holding the token. You also need to actually be sort of more engaged with different parts of that, that created ecosystem with the boosters.

[11:23]Um, and yeah, and I guess. That's it. Like the, and obviously we also introduced like that you could launch a token through clank directly through our interface as well. Um, because um, yeah, like the cla SDK hadn't come out then, but like, yeah, we got some Jack. It would allow that. Um, and now we just using the Thelan, SDK.

[11:47]But I guess, yeah, in terms of like the future direction of Empire, we're currently like working towards Empire V three. Um, which when we're starting out, the idea was to build these solutions ourselves. The contracts ourselves and the airdrop contracts, anything we needed, we, and we kept it relatively simple 'cause we thought they'd just need to be relatively simple contracts.

[12:09]Right. Um, and we built them simple. We built them secure. Um, but now as the vision grows, we realize we want to make it a bit more complicated, bit more features in them, uh, make them multi chain, and that introduces more complexity, which introduces more security concerns, which will need to be addressed.

[12:31]And sort of the best way to do, to sort of resolve all of that is to use. Infrastructure that already exists. A lot of the infrastructure is out there, you know, um, so what we're gonna be doing used for our treasury contracts is we're gonna be using, uh, the existing splits, teams contracts, their newest contracts that are very advanced, fully audited.

[12:54]Um, so we're gonna introduce those as our main treasury contract. Um, we're looking into introducing staking as well. Again, building out our own staking contracts, takes time, security concerns. We're looking at a few different options there. Most likely for now, we're looking at Mint Club and their, their staking and lockup contracts to utilize those.

[13:15]Um, introducing potentially, uh, mink clubs, airdrop contracts as well, although we may stick with our own there too. Um, also we're gonna introduce Dow features eventually down the line. Let's not put any, um, yeah, timeline on that because Clinker has inbuilt, um, Dow functionality. Every clinker token has an inbuilt like voting and delegation mechanism.

[13:38]Um, and sort of the idea is to like create a functionality where you can use that. Um, voting mechanism to then vote on empire actions, like distributions from the treasury, adding boosters, uh, creating new leaderboards, et cetera. So have some sort of DAO functionality in there to actually almost like, so the creator could like, just like step back, make the dao the.

[14:04]Uh, guardian of the empire and have a completely decentralized process for all reward mechanisms. Um, so that's, that's the ultimate goal, uh, I guess in the short to midterm for Empire Builder. Once we get, so V three will come before that. V three will be the introduction of, um, the treasuries as well as like many aesthetic, uh, features.

[14:25]Um. Especially on the homepage, we wanna surface. I know you've been doing a lot of distributions recently. Regular distributions, which is exactly what we wanna promote. Um, so we're gonna try and surface that. So all recent distributions, all recent actions being taken on Empire will be on the homepage and surfaced and have like a feed of that as well as the main leaderboard.

[14:48]We'll be like much more, um, robust with a lot more information rather than just having this scrolling thing going across. And you need to see where you rank. It will be like a proper ranking system. And, uh, potentially, again, no promises, like we're looking for options to like actually reward those, those top em, all the top forged empires, um, that are on that leaderboard, um, to like further incentivize, you know, participation in trying to, trying to climb that leaderboard as well.

[15:17]Um, or the main rankings. Yeah, yeah. Main lead, uh, empire rankings. Right. We wanna call it rankings because leaderboards are like for the individual empires and the, there you go. Yeah. The branding definitely helps. Yeah. No, that, that's awesome. That sounds really exciting. A lot of different things to, to pull that there.

[15:36]But I'm, I'm gonna go back to where you were saying that, uh, that you held on, held onto the Moxie token and built, built, built social capital. So I really like that like concept. That's what got me really excited about crypto as a whole and what quote unquote Web3, right? And just being in this emerging tech space was the ability to, um.

[16:01]Essentially create social capital by whatever it is, using your actual capital to buy an NFT. Yeah. Putting in work on a project and like how can you then value those actions? So our DAO meets weekly and kind of shares about what we're doing, and then we reach, uh. Consensus on who's done the most through, who's done, you know, the sixth most.

[16:26]And everyone gets a portion of governance by participating that way. Um, and we're like looking at that social capital as a piece that of success that I've seen in, uh, in DAOs as opposed to when people tie financial capital to governance. And you have different challenges that kind of arise with that.

[16:44]So I really like the concept of like, really, um. Locking more in on these like off chain leaderboard points that are there and then being able to tie them and associate them to some social capital because it's not just, um, you know, a financial amount, you're actually adding social features to the functionality of just having, you know, a zero x wallet address as your information.

[17:10]Yeah, exactly. We also, um, looking in terms of like adding more custom leaderboards that focus more on that through quotient and um. Just, yeah, Nina and far caster and potentially multiple other features as well, as well as like com adding in competitions. We looked at like, things like joke, race and other things to add, like, um, not so much competitions, but like, you know, you can create, uh, competition saying like, you know, whoever shares the most or does these certain social actions.

[17:42]Um, you know, it will be, uh, surface right? As you know, being uh, yeah. Being on this leaderboard rather than just Yeah. Holding an NFT ex, et cetera. And then you need it is just like to remove those extra layers, like the n having an NFT leaderboard works and you can say, okay, everyone who does this, I will give the N-F-T-N-F-T to, right?

[18:03]And then it's sort of by proxy. Shows that social capital just by who's holding the NFT, but let's like skip the middle, middle step and try and just do it directly. Right. Um, but yeah, again, further down the line, new iterations, like we need to make sure that they're all. All functioning properly. Right.

[18:20]And yeah, biggest focus right now, just getting V three up and then going from there. Right. So, yeah. Do you wanna chat a little bit more about the, uh, the forged empires here have, and then I, I know you actually mentioned the forged empires, but the, uh, using an existing token as well, because I know that's a really interesting feature that, uh, that uh, yeah.

[18:43]Yeah. Built. So yeah, we obviously can just create a new token and that will automatically be a forged empire. Um, you can then, if you have an existing token, alinker token or a zoa, uh, token will sort of be surfaced automatically when you go into the interface. But you can add any token. From base whatsoever, as long as you are either the like owner of that contract or one of the top five holders, uh, to allow for sort of community takeover tokens as well.

[19:14]Um, but yeah, we're actually looking at as well potentially going token list. Like, uh, once V three comes in, it will be possible to like create an empire and get access to the tool stack. Without needing a token attached to it as well. Um, and we'll be looking at doing some sort of subscription model as well to allow, allow for that, those, um, empires to sort of upgrade to Forge since they don't have a token to like, um, to actually be attached.

[19:44]Like there'll be some sort of subscription model to allow them to sort of upgrade their empires to forge if they prefer not to. Um, prefer not to have a token. Um, 'cause we've had a couple people request that as well. Um, they'll love to have access, but they don't wanna attach a token. They're like heavily involved in a other community or DJ community, but they wanna distribute rewards to certain DJ actions, but yeah, they want to do it to dj, not to their own token.

[20:11]Right. Um, so yeah, that's, that's another thing we'll be looking at. Um, yeah. Um, and yeah, and there, as I said, like. We're looking at many more ways, like, as I said, like with the subscription model, we'll likely it will likely be more for non, for non-current forged empires to like sort of upgrade to forged and get those benefits.

[20:34]Um, once V three comes in as well. There'll no longer be any sort of restrictions, like from the backend that we would have on sort of leaderboard, um, numbers. Like right now it's tapped to two 50 per leaderboard. Um, it's also capped to a certain amount of boosters, certain amount of custom leaderboards that you can have overall.

[20:56]Um, what we'll be doing once V three comes out is for forged empires. They'll be allowed to have a lot more, uh. Uh, leaderboard numbers, uh, a lot more boosters, um, potentially, yeah. Don't wanna, again, make any promises unlike the caps, because we need to like, make sure that we don't, um, overdo it and end up, uh, having, you know, a massive bill at the end of the month because someone's decided to add a 1 million leaderboard or something, right?

[21:24]So, um, yeah, so stuff like this, um. Yeah. So, uh, yeah, and again, looking at all the ways we can reward actual foraged empires that have come through us. And also if you do have a token, um, we also have the migration tool. Um, so, so you can migrate, uh, to Clunker V four Tech token, so you can upgrade any old tokens, like the newest token tech and that will also be a forged empire.

[21:49]Um, yeah, I think you might go home. Yeah, there you go. There's the migration tool. So, and to any address, uh, of a token, if you are the owner or creator of that token, it will recognize, allow you to go to the next step. Um, it will. Fetch all the holders. You sort of put in some parameters. What do you want the ratio of the migration to be?

[22:10]One to one, one to 0.5, et cetera, one to two. Um, and then it will automatically fetch, um, the holders of that token. So yeah, minimum token amount to qualify, for example one. There you go. And then in the holders, and that's gonna be the recipients of the airdrop. Um, you can also add extra addresses if you want.

[22:38]Um, and then what it'll ask you to do is, is to do an optional swap. Um, essentially just to provide initial liquidity to that pool. Um, if that makes sense. And once you do the swap, um, yeah, we've got the minimum created buy in there, just 'cause we're in beta, beta mode with this as well still. So we don't wanna like, shoot ourselves in the foot.

[23:01]Um, but that will will be removed eventually. That minimum created by requirement. 'cause we didn't want people to just do no creator buy and then ask why has my token dropped to zero? Um, you know, um, because it's 'cause they had no liquidity in the pool, right? Yeah. Um, so yeah, so that's it. We'll, um, eventually be making iterations to allow for a bit more flexibility there as well.

[23:25]But yeah, and you don't need to do the swap. You can just go and if you already have a bit of eth 0.2 ETH or whatever it was there. Um, you can just use whatever capital you already have, right. Without having to, to sell the current token other. It is encouraged to sell the token to pull the liquidity out of that.

[23:40]Otherwise people will try And game, game your migrate both. Yeah, exactly. Um, well, let's, uh, yeah, let's chat about some of the features that are there right now. Some of the things that if you have an empire you can do and we'll give a, a live demo of some of them. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. I would, I would love to see like what your, um, sort of go-to and like how, how you interact with Empire.

[24:03]Yeah. So my go-to, um, is, uh, I, I like playing around with the different leaderboards. I actually, um, have. Tried almost all of them. I haven't done the NFT one yet, but, um, I made the zeal voting mini app, um, leaderboard, uh, as an API leaderboard, um, as I was vibe coding, my mini app that people can vote on, um, so that we can essentially, um, leverage Empire Builders a way to reward people for participating in the mini app.

[24:36]Especially if there's, you know, boosters for doing different things daily. Um, I'm, I'm a big fan of the far caster only, um, far Caster only one because everyone, and then I am a big fan of doing 10, um, 10, um, either, uh, in raffle mode is, is usually a good go-to. Um, and. We'll, we'll do like, you know, between five to 10 bucks and, uh, and yeah, I like to do random to 10.

[25:06]That's a, that's a nice one. I think there's actually, there are 120 something, so we'll do outta the top 110 random people. Yeah. Each get. 50 cents. Yeah. On the token leaderboard, or do you switch it to the Thank you? Yeah, I meant to do it, but I totally forgot. So that, that is the, that I think, uh, should be the home one.

[25:28]Um, yeah, it might be, might be one of my suggestions because I have done that before. Yeah, it should, um, like based on the leaderboard you are currently clicked on, um, it should populate it with that. But the thing is, when you have it pinned, I think it like might get mixed up. Yeah, that's what I was thinking.

[25:46]So, yeah, no, I like to do the raffle so we can rock it out here. I don't know. I don't think it's sharing my, uh, my wallet, but I'm signing a transaction here, which is fun. Also, seeing that every single thing is actually an on chain transaction, which sometimes make me, makes me like double check what I'm gonna do.

[26:06]But the reason I do 10 is because on far Caster, um, it'll share 10 ads, but no more than that. Yeah. So I like to like to do the 10. I mean, you can always like sort of copy paste into the comments, but Yeah, it's like it becomes a bit of a process. Exactly. Yeah. That might be something we, uh, we recommend Rich to fix.

[26:28]I think that's, that's one of my problems so far Caster right now. But, but, but nonetheless, I really like the ability to be able to say, okay, so that's how many people I want to share to. And like each one of these people. You know, relatively close within some capacity that might not know about the zeal because we're leveraging other tools to, you know, tip out some zeal to different people, et cetera, et cetera.

[26:50]So I've been really enjoying the raffle because it actually populates people that I am not seeing regularly. Um, and then I've also, for our other leaderboards that are finished, you know, that we don't necessarily need an API for, um, song Gem season one was December. Yeah. And um, uh, I, at any point that I want to do a distribution to different, um, seasons, or maybe I'll add all of them together at the end as well and create a leaderboard for that.

[27:20]Um. I can at the beginning of this season, I, because the first season was for the Zeal airdrop and the second season episode one, um, you know, the airdrop was already set up. Um, I just manually dropped a little bit of what was in the Treasury to everyone in the Song Jam Season two of Za Ball, which was really nice because I could use the weighted by score mechanism.

[27:46]So that you know that those individuals that, let's say I did like 20, $25. I don't know what it was off the top of my head. We can probably go back and look. Um. It actually, um, then it actually has given it to the people that participated the most. But I can kind of do that whenever I want, if, you know, we, we have different capacities of doing it and, uh, I, I'm just really excited to play around with the API, uh, leaderboards a little bit more.

[28:11]So the API leaderboards, like when you click, uh, update, it should ref effect from that API. Um, so if like the, there's been more people participating, um. It will actually fetch the new numbers. It's not like, yeah, just a one time API. It like fetches the endpoint every time. Um, yeah, you can actually check if you go up, um, and click on the distribute, um, at the top or distributed, sorry.

[28:38]Yeah, yeah. Ah, further up. Further up. Like the, the actual distributed Oh yeah. So it gives you that list. Right. So if you do like accidentally click out without sharing, you can just go here and share from here as well. Um, yeah, we'll, we'll be updating it in the future as well to show which leaderboard and have a bit more information there too.

[29:01]Awesome. Yeah, no, it looks really cool. Um, and then, yeah, the, just like the feature of being able to burn Yeah. Uh, portion of your tokens and then also kind of pull all of the burns in one place so you can actually see that culmination of them as well as the embed, you know, when you share. Uh, to far caster is there as well and updated, which is really awesome.

[29:25]Yeah, it should also all those fun little things. Actual token as well. Yeah, like far Caster allows that. Um, yeah. We'll also be updating the burn functionality, um, because. When we started out, it was the old clank conversions, a lot of old tokens. So it used to just be that you had to send it to the burn address.

[29:42]Um, but with the new, new Clankers, it is possible to actually burn directly with the token. Um, with V three and V four, I think when we started out it was like, just finish V one. Um, so yeah, I think they were just switching from B one to B two when we started out. Yeah. Um. So, yeah, we'll be updating the burn functionality with, again, V three, uh, contracts that allow us to actually burn the tokens directly.

[30:07]So on base scan it will actually reduce the circulating supply overall completely. Um, but ultimately, like most scanners pick up from the dead address. Like if you go onto, um, yeah, gecko, gecko Terminal, or Coin Gecko and et cetera, they like, um. They will recognize that you reduce the supply by sending it to the dead address.

[30:28]It's just on the actual blockchain, you also see it as well. Interesting. That's very cool. Yeah. Awesome. Well, is there, um, any kinda last words you wanna share? Places people can, uh, find you, um, you know, when you're not, you know, in, in your hiding hole. Coding away. Yeah. Yeah. I've always seen like, hiding away I need to start casting and posting a bit more.

[30:54]I've just been like, yeah. Under the pump doing stuff and I'm like, oh, I haven't mentioned anything. Podcast in like a week and a half. Um, but yeah, follow me, Debbie. Fly on. Far caster. Same on Twitter. Bit less of a following there. I need to build that up still. Uh, we also have a Discord, um, empire Builder Discord.

[31:13]It's on homepage. Uh, you should be able how to find the link there. Um, but yeah, most of the action happens on, on Far Caster. Uh, so that's the main place. Follow me, follow Yo Berserker. He's the most ac, far more active than me of casting there. Um. Yeah. What else was I gonna mention? Um, oh yeah, I guess we, one more thing I didn't mention is we are gonna look into allowing with this whole autonomous agent fad that's going, we're gonna try and like, well, we are planning to, we need to focus on V three for us.

[31:48]I'll keep saying that, but happens, we're gonna, uh, look into allowing, uh, or enabling like. Uh, autonomous agents to be able to read and interact with empire builders so they can create their own empires and distribute through Empire Builder as well. So that's the next, next, uh, evolution of. Um, human, human society, I guess.

[32:14]Yeah. So that's it. But yeah, divvy fly on Far caster main place where I'll be. You can send me a DM as well. I'll, I'll try and get to them as, yeah, I have. I feel like there's a lot of spam going on on Far Caster at the moment. I get so many spam messages, so I'll try and filter through them and, and get to the, get to the, yeah.

[32:36]As we're getting more and more to this, like you're saying with this, the AI agent meta even more, um, getting more to that, uh, dead internet theory, finding ways to add social leverage and capital by, you know, turning your, your token into an empire. And, uh, and being able to actually understand the different people that are there and hopefully be able to, you know, put not bots in in your leaderboard and be able to kind of, yeah.

[33:01]Kinda see that growth. Yeah, exactly. We've also got the reputation booster. I think Quotient and Ethos do a really good job at trying to. Actually rank and make sure people are real, real people and the value that they actually bring. Um, even if, yeah, sometimes there are bots, like Clank, for example, has a higher reputation score, but like yeah, that's for a reason, right?

[33:23]'cause it's well known and well made. It's not just a spam bot. Yeah, no, a million percent. So, yeah, no, I think there's a lot of awesome things coming from Empire Builder. I'm really excited. There's like three or four specific things that I think will be huge for, for what we're doing and what we're trying to do on those things.

[33:42]So I'm, I'm actually really excited. I, uh, uh, I think there's a lot of big things coming for 2026 as a whole, you know, builders keep building everyone's kind of. Up in, like, maybe it's a good thing you only post once a week because everyone's kind of up in arms about everything, right? All the time as it is.

[33:58]But when the market is low, even more so, um, I always like to say when the market's low, like lock in on building, like that's the best thing you can do. And uh, and yeah, build up that social capital, build up that leverage so that you know, if it's not in that time, you can use, use more of that. So I'm excited for what we're doing over, over on Forecaster Empire Builder.

[34:19]Thanks, uh, for coming on Adrian. Uh, appreciate it. Uh, it was a blessing and uh, I hope you have a wonderful rest of your day. Thanks mate. You too. Enjoy the rest of your afternoon. Appreciate it. Awesome. Cheers. Thanks mate.